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    Posted: Jul/25/2010 at 6:37pm
I can't tell from the pics but you might want to seal the front of the rad to core support or grille area so that the incoming air from the grille goes through the rad and not around it on the top, bottom or sides? 

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Im not seeing excessive air bubbles. I was able to mess around with the timing a little today and saw a big improvement. I only had a few minutes to messwith it before I left for work so I got the timing gun out and bumped the initial timing up to 10 degrees and drove it to work the same route as yesterday and the temp ran about 10 degrees cooler so I think Im on the right track with it. Like I have stated before I have had this cooling system set up with three different radiators, three different fan set ups and countless thermostats from 160 up to 195 in both standard and Robert Shaw versions and have seen very little improvement in cooling. Today with this simple timing adjustment I saw the biggest improvement so I will keep at it and see what happens.  
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I thought he said he is keeping PSI in the system and new caps with no change. If not he would be in big trouble when it gets over 212*
Could the flow be too much and putting air in the water? Do you see a lot of bubbles in the water?
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Originally posted by 73hornut


A 195 will stay closed longer, giving the water in the rad more time to cool then a 160 will. Once the water temp in the rad and engine pass 160, the thermostat will not close, meaning the water in the rad has less time to cool. So a low thermostat will just stay open, and will get hotter and hotter. The water in the rad has to have time to cool down then circulate.
That is only if your cooling systems can bleed off enough heat on a 100 degree day to make the water go back down below the temp of the thermostat. Once it hits the operating temperature of any thermostat, they all do the same thing.  His problem sounds less like the thermostat is staying open too much and more like the cooling sytems is unable to disapte the heat fast enough.  Any older engine will run hot at in 100 degree outside temp and once the coolant hits 200, the 160, 180 and 195 will stay wide open if the cooling system is unable to disapate the heat.
 
Nobody has mentioned making sure you are holding pressure.  A pressurized system can handle the higher temps better and will not boil over. Bring it to a radiator shop and have them do a pressure test to make sure you are keeping at least 15lbs in the system at all times which is required in the hot temp areas.  LOTS of AMCs leak radiator fluid which gathers in the little trough in the front cover behind the dizzy.  If yours is doing that as well then you are not holding the proper pressure and it will overheat in hot weather no matter what you do to it.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote 73hornut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul/24/2010 at 11:25pm
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Originally posted by 73hornut

Your stat may be too low of temp. Try running a 195.
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Please tell us how a lower opening stat could cause the over heating?
Now if every thing is working as it should read not over heating and you run a 100* (opening) stat  it should not go over 100* how is this going to make it over heat?
 
I was told way back when, late 70's in trade school, that not runnig a stat could cause over heating. The reason was the water would flow too fast thru motor to pick up the heat or lose it in the radiator. Is this true I could not tell you as I have always used a stat.
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A 195 will stay closed longer, giving the water in the rad more time to cool then a 160 will. Once the water temp in the rad and engine pass 160, the thermostat will not close, meaning the water in the rad has less time to cool. So a low thermostat will just stay open, and will get hotter and hotter. The water in the rad has to have time to cool down then circulate.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote tsanchez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul/24/2010 at 7:48pm
If your that confident that the fan is good then your only explaination it that the engine is full of crud. There is no way that an overbore will cause this much problem i guarantee it. At 40 and above in normal cars where there is no blockage it might cool enough but in a vehicle under load you need more air than is available from just speed. I am also sspect of the water pump, I have never used anything but a stock pump on anything I have ever built. MOst of the time they end up causing more problems than they solve. For reference my car with 13.5-1 compression and 4.44 gear I can cruise at 55-65 at 3500 rpm and it never gets past 185, and it has a stock 4 blade fan and 3 core brass radiator and no shroud.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Fweaky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul/24/2010 at 6:55pm
The problem I have with the clutch fan and radiator set up is that this model Jeep never came from the factory with a V8 so the motor and radiator don't line up. The stock clutch fan lines up at the bottom of the radiator and make it difficult to get a shroud and factory fan to work. I had removed the winch when the weather began to warm up because I though that may have been my problem at first but it did not change the temperature what so ever.  I have run with winches that blocked much more grill than the one I have now in other Jeeps and not had any problems. I run a Robert Shaw thermostat. I removed it last weekend because I was trying to prolong the time it took to reach 230 so that I could make it to work without it getting too hot. I honestly believe the cooling system is more than adequate to cool the engine. I purchased this radiator and fan from a company call Novak Conversions in Utah. They specialize in this type of conversion and have been doing it since 1967. When I was driving to work today It was very hot outside 100+. I left my house and drove through the country at about 45 mph and in after about 20 minutes from the time I starting the engine the temp was 230. When I reached town I pulled off on a side street and placed the transmission in 1st and drove at about 2000 rpms which is the same rpm the engine runs at 60 mph just to see if maybe airflow was a problem at speed. I was travelling about 15 mph and the whole time the rpms were at 2000 the temperature was rising to 240 instead of dropping. The higher the RPM or load the on the engine the higher the temp goes. I placed the transmission in drive and the rpms dropped back below 1500. I continued to work and the temp dropped back to 220. There is a tremendous amount of airflow through the radiator if you place your hand behind the radiator after the engine warms up the air is extremely hot so I know the system is removing a adequate amount of heat for a stock engine.  I am sure beyond a doubt the radiator and fan work sufficiently.
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When rolling along at 50 or 60 mph shouldn't you be able to not have a fan  and just rely on the air flowing through the radiator or is this wrong thinking? 

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Flow washers would be erratic on the street where you have variable btu output (speed/load). A thermostat will throttle by demand.
Thermostats over the last 30+ years are designed to fail in the open position.

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If it were mine I would figure out how to put a mech fan back on it.


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