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    Posted: Aug/05/2008 at 3:21pm
Trust me - the public has no idea how much corn is in storage in this country.
Myself, I had 15,000 bushings and was being paid to store it and keep it off the market. and I was a SMALL farmer! Only 320 acres at my biggest, most years less than that. That's a tiny farmer in Iowa and could no longer even feed themselves on that today.
Granted, that was back in 85, etc. but still.......... There's corn sitting in this state.
A big chunk of the so-called "food shortage" is logistics and politics, and the cost of transporting it. The U.S. doesn't send as much to "needy countries" due to politics within those countries and the costs involved. SO, the masses in those countries cry foul, there's a shortage, etc. etc. when it's often their own gov't at fault.  There's no corn shortage, and Iowa recently announced that the floods "didn't do as much damage to the corn crop as expected". "more of the corn crop is rated good to excellent" than was expected.
Check out the WHO radio bits - they changed the title from "Food Vs. Fuel" to "Food AND Fuel" because it was decided, there wasn't a choice to make, both were easy.


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Corn is actually a fairly innefficent way to make alchahol, considering the more effective ways.. Sugar cane is 1 of the best. Corn prices ( at least in NY ) are going up because farmers are farming more alcohol corn and less food corn. some NY govt official announced there going to consider buying Brazillian sugar cane to drop the price of corn
 
According to studies here, the price of corn is MORE connected to speculators than supply/demand, because there's actually MORE corn than can be used for food OR ethanol.
There was a RECORD crop last year, in fact, the biggest ever, and supply far outpaced demand - but the price skyrocketed............
It was riding the wave started by wheat (and Australia's poor crops) and the money trail shows it's foreign investors mostly.
 
Corn is not as effecient as other means, that's a given even this corn state person will admit to.
However, they can buy all the sugar cane or grass they want, I doubt it drops corn prices any...........
 
 
 
 


I know it's the govt officials acting like there doing somthing by looking like there solving an issue.. but in Ny anyway, farmers are growing the alchahol corn more than food  corn, we have an excess supply of alchahol corn ( few refineries in NY for the corn alchahol ) and altho production of food corn is down from what it used to be in NY, there is still enough food corn to meet demand... theoreticly we should at least have at least cheaper gas, are state average at the pump is still over 4.00 per gallon, and the national average is 3.78 I think
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Is it really considered a bailout, when Chrysler borrowed from the government and then paid back, in full, with interest?
 
A bailout is a bailout, regardless if it was done with the help of the Feds, private banks, someone's rich uncle...
 
The fact that Chrysler paid it all back with interest was wonderful (for Chrysler & everyone else), and they can always say they made good on their debt. But in the public's perception, they will always be remembered as having to be bailed out.
 
Symantics? You bet.
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Is it really considered a bailout, when Chrysler borrowed from the government and then paid back, in full, with interest?
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Originally posted by matt167

Corn is actually a fairly innefficent way to make alchahol, considering the more effective ways.. Sugar cane is 1 of the best. Corn prices ( at least in NY ) are going up because farmers are farming more alcohol corn and less food corn. some NY govt official announced there going to consider buying Brazillian sugar cane to drop the price of corn
 
According to studies here, the price of corn is MORE connected to speculators than supply/demand, because there's actually MORE corn than can be used for food OR ethanol.
There was a RECORD crop last year, in fact, the biggest ever, and supply far outpaced demand - but the price skyrocketed............
It was riding the wave started by wheat (and Australia's poor crops) and the money trail shows it's foreign investors mostly.
 
Corn is not as effecient as other means, that's a given even this corn state person will admit to.
However, they can buy all the sugar cane or grass they want, I doubt it drops corn prices any...........
 
 
 
 

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We have oxygenated gas here in Phoenix in an attempt to lessen the smog issues we have here in the Valley of the Sun now that over 5 million people live in the greater Phoenix area.  When traveling away from the metro area and using normal, non oxygenated gas I notice around a 10% improvement in mpg and there also an increase in power in my GMC Envoy. 

Periodically there is talk about not using oxygenated gas due to it costing more than normal gas or when there have been supply contraints.  In that it is roughly 10% less efficient than normal gas, I am frankly surprised that there has not been a louder demand to relax those standards to get consumption to drop by the equivalent amount in major metropolitan areas across the country.
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I'm not sure what states have it, but search for non-oxygenated gas my understanding is it does not contain any ethenol. We have it herer in Mn and I have used it with little to no difference between it and 10% ethanol, other than the car seems to start better when cold.
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Corn is actually a fairly innefficent way to make alchahol, considering the more effective ways.. Sugar cane is 1 of the best. Corn prices ( at least in NY ) are going up because farmers are farming more alcohol corn and less food corn. some NY govt official announced there going to consider buying Brazillian sugar cane to drop the price of corn

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Corn isn't the most effecient method - but on the other hand, it actually does off-set the other subsidies, so you WILL pay the farmer one way or another - in the past, typically to NOT plant. Now, you are paying them to plant. So, it's a wash, IMO. since they would already have price supports in place, this way, they are paying to produce something that can be burned.
It's like the work programs in the depression, no different, IMO.
There are other methods of producing ethanol that are more effecient.
OTOH, it existed here well before the feds picked up on it. and some folks "brew their own" here.  It's expected to reach a point where the subsidies will no longer play as big a picture and it will take off on its own.
(is it different than bailing out Chrysler?)

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Today, you see the imagined negatives popping up again because of some VERY well funded negative ad campaigns........ look into where the money is coming from.... (no not Exxon, etc.)
Oil producing nations and POLITICIANS! Guess the states those politicians are from........ but that belongs in that bazillion page thread m-m started LOL

 
This is true.  But it's also true re ethanol to a much bigger extent- ethanol for fuel wouldn't exist except for the political pressure from corn producing states (like Iowa) to provide the massive subsidies that allow it to exist.  Ethanol, at least from corn, as a motor vehicle fuel is a farce IMO.
 
I avoid it whenever possible. 


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