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    Posted: Aug/01/2010 at 5:07pm
May I ask how much is cut out at the intake ports ?
Just the small strip across the intake port top ?
Or is there more than that cut out ?
Reckon the water port hole part is left on the cut valley pan ?
Have yet to mount an intake with both,
unsure just how much to actually trim the valley pan.
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On the side that a Valley Pan is needed for Oil Control.
Pan is visible in this Engine Cross-Sectional diagram.
From this view, reckon there's a lot of oil splashin'round in that area under the pan.
And stock used the Intake PCV Baffle as well as the Valley Pan,
doesn't look to be any PCV Baffle represented in this section view.
 
Just noticed, diagram must be an earlier one re-used in a later TSM.
Caption says "360-401 CID Shown".......
Right Cyl Head section appears to show the early rectangular exhaust port head convex floor.
 
 
 


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I like that approach as well.
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   I cut the valley pan gasket right at the intake ports, and use the separate intake gaskets, best of both worlds.
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Originally posted by lugo likes ramblers

all food for thought. i really dont mean to argue my own issue, but it really seems unnecessary to me. not saying im right at all. does anyone run gaskets? i mean they are made for a reason. not just because people dont like valley pans.
I run gaskets on any aluminum intake as the metal to metal to metal can result in corrosion on the aluminum intake.  Others have previously argued that they have run the valley pan gasket with aluminum intakes forever with no corrosion.  On the other hand I have taken apart too many engines where the water jacket areas looked like swiss chese. 
 
I agree that the problem may or may not be caused by the valley pan gasket but on the other hand, the individual type gaskets minimize the metal surface to surface contact between the corrosive prone aluminum intake and the rest of the block so I go with it in order to avoid a potential problem whether or not the valley pan gasket actually causes the problem.
 
You know the old saying, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" or some such thing.  It just seems like common sense to me.


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id just like a better reason is all. all im getting is to keep oil off the intake. itll get there one way or another and im no racer so a couple degrees difference means nothing to me.

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Originally posted by lugo likes ramblers

all food for thought. i really dont mean to argue my own issue, but it really seems unnecessary to me. not saying im right at all. does anyone run gaskets? i mean they are made for a reason. not just because people dont like valley pans.
By all means run gaskets if you want.  it is your engine after all.
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all food for thought. i really dont mean to argue my own issue, but it really seems unnecessary to me. not saying im right at all. does anyone run gaskets? i mean they are made for a reason. not just because people dont like valley pans.
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Originally posted by tyrodtom

  A lot of SBC racers use a valley pan  cover, it does double duty, It's a lttle bit heavier metal than the AMC valley pan, it also has projections on the side of the pan that keeps the lifters from flying out of their bores if you break a rocker arm stud, or pushrod.  It also keeps most of the hot oil from transferring heat to the bottom of the intake. It's just a valley pan cover though, it deesn't seal the intake ports.
Ive never seen one, but I believe it.
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  A lot of SBC racers use a valley pan  cover, it does double duty, It's a lttle bit heavier metal than the AMC valley pan, it also has projections on the side of the pan that keeps the lifters from flying out of their bores if you break a rocker arm stud, or pushrod.  It also keeps most of the hot oil from transferring heat to the bottom of the intake. It's just a valley pan cover though, it deesn't seal the intake ports.
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Originally posted by lugo likes ramblers

good point. but neither ford or chevy run valley pans and tons of their motors are still going strong. right?

and just from what i saw upon pulling the original intake off, the bottom is cooked everywhere anyway. and that was with the valley pan, so it wasnt even doing its job.
I dont compare chevy, Ford or mopar or AMC............they all have different set ups, and what may work for one doesnt mean it will work for another.    AMC isnt the only one who runs a valley pan.  there should have been a metal baffle on the bottom of the intake, if there isnt one, it was removed. 
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