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    Posted: Feb/01/2009 at 2:47pm
That is one approach. It's on this forum already. Wouldn't work for me personal but understand it works for some. Actually at some point I can see the value personal- may go that route as an alternative on the Hurst SC thing and then if someone else has something new or different they can create their own thread. But that is a way ways off.
   As to the big boys that have been paid for their expertise- even they differ. When you see the PH Engine Masters Challenge, as an example, the ones at the top take different approaches to reach the challenge goals. If you are saying that a master doesn't want to reveal their secrets- this example not being in that vein, as the winner of the challenge's secrets are subsequently put out.
   I guess what I'm saying, and we all know it has affected me at times as well, which simply means finding out the real reason for suddenly get pissed off- like asking questions-"hey howcome you seem to be such a dic_- or why aren't you answering the question",and so on would help avoid meltdowns. The other obvious point is that of growing thicker skin. If that isn't really the crux then the worry that some people are gonna lose the good points amidst all the second guessing or outright opposition to expert advice withoutthe opposition really having a leg to stand on- yes- that's a factor. But how much greater a factor exists that no one benefits from experience if somedone's background isn't shared at all? I'm not saying anyone has an obligation to share either. If they want to- good- if not- not so good- but their choice- naturally. In the long run though- if you have things to help peop[le- and it's what you do- keep doing it- even through the set-backs- self created or no.  My owe tooTwoCents

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Originally posted by poormansMACHINE poormansMACHINE wrote:

Originally posted by Alliups Alliups wrote:

Besides, debate, doubt, argument, and new ideas are all a part of sharing experience.

That's just it. Part of the experience many would not rather share and don't.
Many have a working/proven setup. Then it goes into a debate. The only way it would work is for them to post their setup and then lock it from further comment. Then it's up to the individuals that may be interested in reading it to make their own conclusions and decide for themselves, keeping it to themselves if it's feasible (to them) or not.
That won't happen on the web since there's too many master debaters.
I dont blame them for not sharing either, its their right to decide whether they want to share or not. some people dont like/or dont understand why. well, I have no problem with that. I am on good terms with all the AMC'ers that I have met and I see no reason to be otherwise.Wink
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Originally posted by poormansMACHINE poormansMACHINE wrote:

Originally posted by Hurst390 Hurst390 wrote:

why would somebody want to get involved when theyhave spent hard earned money and lots of time to just to be minimized by maybe's and should haves...?????

I know several very knowledgable AMC builders that do not partake in public discussion for that very reason.


There's a few that I've asked over the years and they won't go on line for that reason.
They've lurked and decided there's better things to do.


You got that right PMM. Ive had them tell me the same thing.
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Originally posted by Alliups Alliups wrote:

Besides, debate, doubt, argument, and new ideas are all a part of sharing experience.

That's just it. Part of the experience many would not rather share and don't.
Many have a working/proven setup. Then it goes into a debate. The only way it would work is for them to post their setup and then lock it from further comment. Then it's up to the individuals that may be interested in reading it to make their own conclusions and decide for themselves, keeping it to themselves if it's feasible (to them) or not.
That won't happen on the web since there's too many master debaters.
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It shouldn't be surprising coming from me then, sometimes I'm my own worst enemy- like you I know myself pretty well. I pick myself up, brush myself off, and keep movin' ahead.
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If that is an accurate reflection of things then no one with any knowledge should post. I'm keenly aware of the folly that happened on other forums long ago. I got caught up in that crap. Took me a long while to mature and learn and this boy is far from perfect. I also understand withdrawing help when you feel shi_ on by others. I do it myself- stop posting, purposely erase posts, etc. I don't mind telling the truth, got nothing to hide.You do what you can to keep your self respect. Still, one that helps others always returns to that which they are- helper. The difficulty is in withstanding actions, opinions, and subterfuge that goes with it. Sometimes you fall, and sometimes, in the words of Henry Rollins- you " rise above ". Besides, debate, doubt, argument, and new ideas are all a part of sharing experience. If the end result is knowing new things for everyone- then getting dissed- if that's what it is is minor. Disagreement alone doesn't mean you're getting shot down either. Can't help what the big boys have decided to do- or not- via the board- but there are guys like you, Ron, Dan, sometimes myself, and others that can share stuff. It'll get through to someone.Big%20smile
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Originally posted by Hurst390 Hurst390 wrote:

why would somebody want to get involved when theyhave spent hard earned money and lots of time to just to be minimized by maybe's and should haves...?????

I know several very knowledgable AMC builders that do not partake in public discussion for that very reason.


There's a few that I've asked over the years and they won't go on line for that reason.
They've lurked and decided there's better things to do.


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Yep.  Keyboard experts are everywhere but there is no substitute for real life experience. 

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Originally posted by Alliups Alliups wrote:

Originally posted by Hurst390 Hurst390 wrote:

 I have not seen any other real world examples in the thread other than Mr. Eatmam...
 It's all- I think....It should..... or a bunch what performance american style says...
 That book is good for nothing more than looking at some good old pics or wiping your butt with it(and still not what you want for that job)..because it sure doesn't tell you how to port an AMC head properly..any specific info to performance is outdated in it...
 I think Matt and Ron mentioned a sonic checker? but that went right back to P.A.S. book...
 No one has addressed that an overbore will allow a cylinder head to flow better? and what impact that might have..just personal theory...Now when someone steps up with some actual flow bench data with the effects of different bore sizes and some dyno #'s then I'm all ears..otherwise it's all conjecture imo....
Mr Eatman has some real world info with excellent results he laid down for you all...but I have found too many times that for some that is not good enough...
 
 

  The biggest point, to you, is, if you have the knowledge share it. When you sit back after months of hearsay, theorizing, and quotes from inaccurate books, from your perspective, and then say" I told you so" - makes it seem you just wanna be smug and try to crap on people's, or some very specific people's, desire to help others. Where's the help and the benefit? Not everybody is gonna say, "nunhh unnhh" out the gate when experience speaks.Some are. So what. That's in every arena and avenue of life. Some aren't. Some are, and once experience explains they see the point. Give people a chance rather than painting all with the the naysay brush. You may find your "prophesy" isn't self-fulfilling that way.
I've been around these message boards for years and AMC's much longer..
over and over again people that are "in the know"post fact and are ridiculed by experts that really have no background or experience in a given area..Now I am not describing this thread that way so much. I am just generalizing........I have seen it over and over again...so why would somebody want to get involved when theyhave spent hard earned money and lots of time to just to be minimized by maybe's and should haves...?????  you can see it coming..just like death and taxes!
I know several very knowledgable AMC buildersthat do not partake in public discussion for that very reason..and one that has recently signed on has regretted it I'm sure by the way his information was discounted ......
I am really surprised to get a speech like that from somebody that just a week ago said bye bye to everybody because of the same thing maybe??
I am always interested in helping people in the AMC world..anyone can e-mail me anytime..and If I do not know the answer I bet I know  somebody that does and will direct them that direction!
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Originally posted by Hurst390 Hurst390 wrote:

 I have not seen any other real world examples in the thread other than Mr. Eatmam...
 It's all- I think....It should..... or a bunch what performance american style says...
 That book is good for nothing more than looking at some good old pics or wiping your butt with it(and still not what you want for that job)..because it sure doesn't tell you how to port an AMC head properly..any specific info to performance is outdated in it...
 I think Matt and Ron mentioned a sonic checker? but that went right back to P.A.S. book...
 No one has addressed that an overbore will allow a cylinder head to flow better? and what impact that might have..just personal theory...Now when someone steps up with some actual flow bench data with the effects of different bore sizes and some dyno #'s then I'm all ears..otherwise it's all conjecture imo....
Mr Eatman has some real world info with excellent results he laid down for you all...but I have found too many times that for some that is not good enough...
 
 


I agree on some points not on others. Here's the deal. You are a drag racer. You have a built engine. You've got experience. Some of us have different backgrounds- different engines, similar principals.  Trying to help someone out is the name of the game. Mr. Eatman provided the real world recent example to back up some of  the "I thinks" and so on. But it took the thread 4 pages and five months to get to Mr. Eatman. The title and the contributions before brought the horse to the water so to speak, and he drank. So it's all good.
  Bigger bores can allow for better breathing assuming there was shrouding before hand and along with the bigger bore deeper breathing action occurs elsewhere- valve cuts and angles to draw the flow past the valve heads and a cam and porting that complement each other and the cylinder volume.
  The biggest point, to you, is, if you have the knowledge share it. When you sit back after months of hearsay, theorizing, and quotes from inaccurate books, from your perspective, and then say" I told you so" - makes it seem you just wanna be smug and try to crap on people's, or some very specific people's, desire to help others. Where's the help and the benefit? Not everybody is gonna say, "nunhh unnhh" out the gate when experience speaks.Some are. So what. That's in every arena and avenue of life. Some aren't. Some are, and once experience explains they see the point. Give people a chance rather than painting all with the the naysay brush. You may find your "prophesy" isn't self-fulfilling that way. In any case we can agree that boring and stroking will likely lead to better power if done right. Mr. Eatman's example would be one of those, "done rights". I would imagine the results behind your engine's build is another done right.
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