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WesternRed
AMC Addicted Joined: Aug/03/2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5799 |
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Oh well, it was a nice idea while it lasted, that is a tone of money to lay down.
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shootist
AMC Addicted Joined: May/24/2012 Location: Triad, NC Status: Offline Points: 1023 |
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That price would be to rich for me to spend on a 360 build. The thin webbing in the vast majority of 360 blocks makes it tough to shell out that much for a billet crank. This is likely true for most. So, that limits your clientele down to an already small 390 and 401 crowd. Then depending on the flange it would further limit the possible customer base unless it is offered in either flange (fortunately that would be simple enough).
I wish the forged was more affordable because that would help make the line more sustainable.
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WesternRed
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Does make you wonder if the blank forging for some other motor is close enough to be machined to AMC specs?
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jcisworthy
AMC Addicted Joined: Jul/23/2009 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 2805 |
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I asked him if there was a raw forging he could use to grind an AMC crank out of it. He said he searched high and low in the past and nothing was close enough to do it.
I have one more company to talk to tomorrow but I suspect the outcome will be the same. |
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shootist
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Well, hopefully the news will be better.
But, don't you ever wonder why they charge so much for the tooling? What is driving those costs?
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jpnjim
AMC Addicted Joined: Nov/25/2007 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 2752 |
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Just to toss these numbers around a little, 50k+ for the plates 200 minimum forging order Then +$ for the machining costs = $250k total? Could 200 raw forgings satisfy the minimum order requirement, with or without final machining? Assuming the raw forgings, without machining, would bring the cost down substantially. I know it's a long shot, but if there is a market for the raw forgings, it may be easier to get 100 people to order finished cranks/kits +100 people who would want raw forgings while they are available. Even better would be designing the raw forging to be machinable for similar engine that also doesn't have a new forged crank available to it either that could share the raw forging: Buick 400/430/455's have the same bore spacing as us, and have an even worse crank selection issue (cast stock, custom billet, or try to adapt Nailhead 401 cranks). If the raw AMC forging was close enough, there would probably be as many crazy Buick guys lining up for one as crazy AMC guys. Just wondering. |
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jpnjim
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I think 400/430/455 Buick is the closest, and they don't have one either. I'm wondering if 'our' blank could do theirs (and double the market size for it). |
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Boris Badanov
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I could see the Buick and AMC cranks as interchangeable at the forging level
but balancing differences may prevent this. I seem to remember that Buicks are externally balanced, but do they share the same counter weight configuration as AMC? |
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shootist
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I believe balancing issue could be overcome easy enough. Especially if your forging is neutral balanced. The question is really more of if you can get enough offset material so that the crank itself can be balances with even the heaviest of bob weight.
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Boris Badanov
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I bet there is a lot more Buick nuts out there than AMC nuts.
Any time you are talking something as complex or labor intensive as a forging die it's gonna be big bucks. |
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