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    Posted: Nov/19/2018 at 12:07pm
I have a '66 Rogue with manual steering box. What opitions do I have on adding power steering. Is there a power steering box available say from another car that will work, I see my column/box is one piece unit so I'm thinking I'll have to swap out the whole lot or can you us the original, cut and modify the shaft with ujoints or rag joint? Who's done what and are you happy with the results.
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I see there are 1965 and 1967 Rogue's for sale with power steering so it was likely a factory option. I don't have a parts book for 66 so cannot help there. It's likely a GM Saginaw unit that there are many swaps and donors available. 
I'd recommend a TSM, looking for a Rogue with power steering, take pictures and get part numbers.
There could be a donor in a local wrecker or place a "want ad" in the Forum.
AMC used parts across models, so an Ambassador or Marlin may also be a bolt in donor.
The power unit for 67 states 4.4 turns lock to lock compared to the manual 6.2. I can see why you would want a power unit on this.   
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well it looks like APD carrys a nice p/s box unit so that is covered, 3 turns lock to lock sounds great too. My tsm is at home so here I am just thinking about what to do next.
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I also found a p/s gear box for a 72 Jav used on eBay, I'm assuming it will mount the same, possibly use the same pitman arm too....so the only difference would be cutting my shaft and adding what is needed to mount it to the rag joint. How about pumps....they look like a GM unit? Same pressure?
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wow according to Rockauto it appears they interchange with a lot of GM cars. Now what to do with my column, cut and weld? 
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I would be looking for a donor car, check e-bay, and other sources before the cut and chop.
It's likely a Saginaw column as well so there would be many sources. 
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You can keep your column if you don't mind cutting the shaft off. Measure the diameter of the shaft, I think it's 3/4", might be 1".  Speedway Motors has a rag joint with a 3/4" x 30 spline (most GM power steering boxes) on one side and a 1" or 3/4" Double D (or DD) on the other. A "Double D" or "DD" shaft is of the stated diameter with two flats opposite each other ( a "Single D" or "D" would have one flat). Easy to grind the flats on the shaft.

I've done this before.I suggest cutting the shaft about 1/2" longer than you think it should be, assembling with steering wheel, measure gap between wheel and column, then trim shaft down to where you have about 1/8" gap between hack of wheel and column base. You might want to measure the gap before you take it all apart. A little more gap is better than not enough! The shaft may go in a little more as the rag joint "settles in" with use. You can still run the horn wire up through the shaft and rag joint, but will need  more slack, IIRC. Don't recall how I ran the horn wire!

Mine was converted, but I'm using a late 80s S-10 tilt steering column and an intermediate shaft from something from a salvage yard (another GM). Don't recall what, I just looked through a pick-n-pull for an appropriate length shaft, still had to shorten it a little. Some of the shafts are easy to shorten (try early 80s?), as they have a little leaf spring inside. Others aren't -- they use a nylon pin to hold them in place. You can break the pin and shorten the shaft though. It may come apart when you take one end loose though.  I don't see this as a safety issue unless you shorten one end too much. I mean if something happens bad enough to pull the shaft apart in a wreck or the steering box literally falls off you're not going to be worried about/able to steer anyway! Could be a nuisance when working on the car though.

I used a standard GM box from a late model Concord. I had an issue with the pitman rod end -- there was a change in the taper at some point, I think 65 or 66 uses the late model GM taper, earlier (my 63) uses a different taper. So I had to use an early model pitman arm. Don't recall the exact solution, but I think I used a 65 Classic w/power steering arm (I have a 63 Classic), first year of the GM box. It is possible to ream the end to the right size, might have to weld some. You can also get a grade 8 (hardened) washer and ream it to the base or small end (whichever needs changing.. might be both?) of the tie-rod end, then weld those in place. I did that at one point on steering arms I made for a rack and pinion conversion (lots of trouble, no real gain!). Worked great, but when I had some issues with the first arms I made I ordered predrilled tie rod end bungs from Speedway and welded those on.

I just drilled the sill for the new box and used the Concord spacer. The lowest/most forward factory bolt hole was used, the shaft aligned, then the other bolts holes drilled. I used fender washers on the outside to prevent crushing the sill. The new holes weren't to far away from the sleeved factory holes, which still support the sill from crushing. The uppermost hole was just above the sill, I used a pipe spacer on top of the sill for that one.
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In 1966 the Rogue with power steering had a short column, an intermediate shaft and a power box, so there were two rag joints. In 67 the steering column was lengthened and only one rag joint was used at the steering box. The easy way would be to find a column and box from a 67 or later American and install them. Alternatively, you could use a system from a 66 if you get the column, box, and intermediate shaft. Or, as mentioned previously, you can shorten your column and go from there as described above.
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Okay bought me a 974 which is a close ratio box but fits my year car and many many others and has the 3 mounting tabs, I also found a used sill adapter for the Rambler, it appears only 2 bolts line up for the box, the threaded 3 on the sill do. On the adapter it didn't appear a 3rd was used either? Does this sound right?
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Wow, didn't see that happening...anyway here's the box without adapter
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