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    Posted: Jan/09/2009 at 4:53pm
my 390 has a noisy lifter......can i remove the valve covers and adjust it while its running...or will oil fly all over the place ????  I remember that Chevy had these little oil clips that went on the rockers to deflect the oil...did not always work
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  Quote purple72Gremlin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/09/2009 at 5:00pm
AMC V8's do not have an adjustable valvetrain. so I would change the oil, and maybe put a lighter weight oil in it to see if that helps?  is the cam and lifters stock???   if not, then you may have other problems
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  Quote william Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/09/2009 at 6:20pm
the 1969 service manual shows adjustable valve train for 290-343-390 engines....picture shows studs....rocker arm rocker ball ??????   the book also says the 6 cylinder is non adjustable .....I have not removed the valve covers...however I went from a 10/40 oil to 20/50 and the noise began
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  Quote AMCJOCK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/09/2009 at 6:34pm
An old trick when fooling with the valve train while the engine was running was to take old stock metal valve covers and cut the tops off and install while fooling with the valve train to keep oil from going all over.
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  Quote purple72Gremlin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/09/2009 at 6:42pm
Originally posted by william

the 1969 service manual shows adjustable valve train for 290-343-390 engines....picture shows studs....rocker arm rocker ball ??????   the book also says the 6 cylinder is non adjustable .....I have not removed the valve covers...however I went from a 10/40 oil to 20/50 and the noise began
well, I think you found out why, you have to heavy an oil in the engine. go to 10-30 or 10-40  or even 15-40.   you need to look at the TSM closer,  dont go by the picture, "showing" means nothing.  read on how you set the valve train.  it will tell you to torque the nuts to 25lbs if I recall.   and forget about the chevy small block, dont compare the AMC V8 to the chevy, almost nothing is the same between the two.. I have fooled with both engines. I have a chevy truck too.
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  Quote billd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/09/2009 at 11:11pm
they look adjustable in the pictures, they are not adjustable in the AMC v8 such as 290, 343, 390, 401.
rockers, studs and balls, yes but you torque them down, period.
If there is noise, then there is a CAM issue, a LIFTER issue, oiling issue, worn rocker, etc.
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  Quote BassBoat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/10/2009 at 8:33am
Yes there is a shoulder on the stud, and no set screw locking feature on the nut.  you can replace the stud to an aftermarket non shouldered stud and use a poly lock and make the rockers adjustable.  Most likely as others have said, the problem is wear in the valvetrain.  If its the rocker, which you probably know is a common problem on the chevy rocker and ball to the extent that replacement individual kits are commonly sold, then its an easy fix.
Another possibility is accumulated wear on the oil pump housing, but the 20/50 oil would help that problem. 
I can assure you that 20W/50 is not the root cause of this problem.  If it clicks a little on start up, then the oil could be "too thick" but only for a few seconds.   I have hundreds of thousands of miles running 20W50 with no issues. 
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  Quote turbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/13/2009 at 7:20pm
Should be no problem making adjustment-and yes, adjusting or preloading the lifter a little MAY silence it. If not, don't sweat it for a while, it MAY take care of itself in time. As a last resort, rod the Hell out of it and it will either get better or blow up. Just don't rev it off idle or you'll get a squirt. Turbo Don
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  Quote poormansMACHINE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/13/2009 at 7:48pm
Originally posted by turbo

Should be no problem making adjustment


How do you recommend adjusting past the shouldered stop in the stock valve train?
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  Quote billd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jan/13/2009 at 10:05pm
Originally posted by turbo

As a last resort, rod the Hell out of it and it will either get better or blow up. Just don't rev it off idle or you'll get a squirt. Turbo Don
 
Yeah, rod it and get the lifter up into the untravelled portion where the varnish is and make it really stick................
 
PS>How do you rod the @#$% outta it, and not rev past idle?
 
One thing I'd try, since you've nothing to lose, really, a can of a product like the old Wynn's product made to clean sticky lifters. Could be varnish and crap from sitting. However, I've seen where folks rev 'em up and have a valve hang open or worse.
Otherwise, I suspect a mechanical issue
 
How do you preload or adjust a non-adjustable rocker? AMC V8's are "set" preload. You torque the nuts down against the shoulder on the stud. There is no adjustment on a stock valvetrain. That's pretty much the end of it.
If it's not sticking due to sludge/varnish, then there is a mechanical or oiling issue.
I also agree, that oil isn't too thick IMO - may tick for a few seconds while cold until the oil gets there, but after warm, it's just fine. If I recall, how the viscosity rating works on multi-oils is that it won't be thinner than a 20 wt when hot, meaning once warmed up, it's right on the money.  I'm sure that's a gross over-simplification................ 
 
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